Tragic News Spidey Fans – Dunst is MJ again

Tragic News Spidey Fans   Dunst is MJ againSince the  release of Spiderman 3, the web has been buzzing about the franchise for the friendly neighborhood Spiderman.  Would Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire return?  Who would the villains be?  Would we get to see more Gwen Stacy, or just be stuck with Kirsten Dunst’s MJ?  Sam Raimi has indeed returned and is ready to start work on Spiderman 4.  To me, that is the most important issue to deal with, and I am damn glad Raimi is coming back.  The guy is now, and has always been, a freaking genius.  He’s done wonders with the Spiderman franchise, and Spidey 3 only sucked because the studio forced Raimi to include a villain he had absolutely no desire to work with (Venom).  Let’s face it: without Venom/Eddie Brock taking up screen time, there would be more character development allowed for Sandman and the conclusion of the “new Goblin” story line. 

As of right now, Maguire has not been confirmed, but he had stated in the past that he would consider returning to the franchise IF Raimi agreed to return, so there is a possibility there.  Villain rumors have been floating around the web in recent weeks, most notably discussions about the Lizard, Kraven the Hunter, and the vampire Morbius.  Morbius has been brought up because of quotes from Raimi himself about how much he loves vampires.  Personally, I always thought that quote was taken out of context, and when the NY Post sat down to talk about The Taking of Pelham 123 with producer Todd Black, Spidey 4 came up.  He shot-down the Morbius rumors, and shared a few more tidbits about the project, including potential villain ideas and one little detail that left me screaming in agony – Kirsten Dunst is set to reprise her role as Mary Jane Watson, despite earlier reports that she was going to be replaced.

I’ve never been a fan of Kirsten Dunst, but that usually doesn’t mean I’d want to bash her.  I don’t typically bash people that I don’t like.  But her, she is different.  I respect her attempts to play an iconic character, and I’m sure she didn’t intend for her interpretation to come across as shitty as it did, pardon my french.  I absolutely loathed her in all 3 films.  I didn’t think she looked like MJ, and I didn’t think she had the proper sass or attitude that the comic MJ always had, but that’s not why I couldn’t stand her.  I thought she was overwhelmed by superior acting talent in all three films (which, in the case of Spidey 3, is a pretty sad statement) and she proved that she couldn’t act her way out of a paper bag.  She’s a decent actress.  Before the MJ role, I had no opinion of her either way, and she certainly hadn’t done any film that led me to believe she was talentless.  But in the Spiderman franchise, she was horribly miscast and ended up being the glaring weakness in all three films.  I really wish they would’ve recast her role.

Now, on to the villains… Black spoke about the villain potential for the next film, and while he didn’t come out and see definitively who would be facing Spiderman, he did give us a clue as to what we could possibly expect.  Hey, it’s not much, but still slightly news-worthy.  His thoughts:  “We’re just coming up with who the villain’s going to be now. We’ll be shooting in New York again.  Trust me, people will appreciate who we pick, because it’ll be a big part of New York,” and that “the villain will be one of Spidey’s foes from the comic, not a character invented for the film.”

Tragic News Spidey Fans   Dunst is MJ again

Spidey has a large rogue's gallery to choose from

So what could that mean?  The initial thought here is the Kingpin, but it’s likely that FOX still owns his rights from the whole Daredevil debacle.  Kinda sad really, because Kingpin would’ve worked out great.  There are still plenty of villains from Spidey’s massive rogues gallery that would work out perfectly.  Second thought would be Tombstone, as the head of a major Mafia organization in the city, and if the need for another villain should arise, then perhaps Tombstone could “create” some super-powered thugs to handle most of the dirty work.  If they are only thugs, then there would be little reason to show much of a back story, so inclusion of another villain in the story wouldn’t take too much away from screen time necessary for proper character development.  Look at Spidey 2.  Two villains, one being very minor, and the film was totally kick ass.  IF that were the case, then there would be a large selection of secondary villains to choose from, like Shocker, Rhino, or Scorpion.  All three would fit well in the Spiderman universe Raimi created, and they wouldn’t be too deep to add to a film with an established #1 villain.  None of those guys were ever #1 material anyway.

There are all sorts of different things they could do with that very loose concept.  I’m vaguely intrigued by the idea, though honestly I’d rather just see the Lizard and Kraven the hunter.  It’s time for the Lizard, and the only other Spidey villain that would really fit in a story with the lizard is Kraven.  Something along the lines of Connors having his “transformation” and terrorizing the city, and Kraven comes in to participate in a hunt unlike any other.  It’d be perfect.  I sincerely hope it works out that way, but I doubt it will.  I guess as long as Raimi is involved, it will be interesting.  If the studio can leave him alone to make the Spidey film HE wants to make, then it’s got a solid shot at being a damn good super hero movie.  IF Kirsten Dunst seriously reconsiders how she will play MJ, maybe the character won’t suck so bad…  There are a lot of ifs here, and I really don’t know what else to say about that.

So, your thoughts?  Anyone have any suggestions for the possible villains or plot lines?

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  1. JD Nobody says

    I think I need to go back and watch the first couple of Spidey Films again. I don’t remember hating Dunst so much. Sure, when she was cast, I didn’t really see her as MJ at all, but I didn’t walk out of the theater wanting to punch a cat because of her. This may be because I didn’t read a lot of Spidey and MJ stuff. Jon, you and my M4N cohort, Chris, have the same loathing of Dunst and reading your write up made me think he could have wrote it with you! HA!

    As far as villains go, I think I would like to see the Lizard or Kraven, though I don’t know the Tombstone character. The Lizard seems logical because they’ve teased him so much, but the one thing I have a problem with is that all of the Spiderman villains so far have pretty much been “reluctant” villains. That is the one thing that I did like about Topher Grace’s Venom, was there wasn’t a sob story to why he was bad…he was just pissed and liked being bad. Now that is a villain.

  2. says

    I do not loathe Dunst, however she is not exactly tops on my list either. She has had rare moments like “How to lose friends and Alienate people” and “Interview with a vampire” (though she was like 8 at the time, don’t know if that counts). I really had strong reservations about her as MJ, a very bad miscast in the history of miscasts. I think this opens up a whole other debate, if you were to re cast MJ who would you chose as your MJ? my nominees would be Kirsten Bell or Bryce Dallas Howard ( I know she was Gwen Stacy, but this is purely hypothetical).

    As for villains, as long as Raimi closes out the Lizard story, i really could care less who the other villian is, though I will say Morbius, albeit a cool villian, i just don’t think a vampire villian would really work in the current reality that Spidey is in, however i do not know enough about Morbius to say one way or the other.

  3. Jon Stephens says

    I’ve never been impressed with Dunst, but never actually disliked her until I saw her as MJ. She just didn’t work for me. Funny you mention another Spidey comic fan JD, because I think it’s an opinion that a lot of comic guys/gals have. She wasn’t the striking beauty MJ is, or the strong and empowered woman MJ is. I just didn’t see it at all. I don’t fault her so much as I do whoever’s decision it was to cast her. I have no idea who to cast as MJ, but I know what the actress needs to be in order for her to pull it off:
    She needs to be very curvy, and her beauty should be so that people just couldn’t believe that she would be with a guy like Peter Parker. She needs to be strong willed and empowered, yet soft and sweet. I know it’s hard to find the perfect actress, and I wouldn’t be pissed if she didn’t have all those qualities, but that should be what you shoot for. Can’t tell me Kirsten Dunst even meets a part of those criteria. If I had to guess, maybe Scarlett Johansen? Emily Blunt? Perhaps even Jessica Beil? I’m not 100% sure, but those are possibilities

    I see what you are saying about reluctant villains, and I’m with you on that. I want to see a pure evil villain, who wants nothing more than death, destruction, carnage, or any combination of the three. The idea behind Venom was right, but not properly implemented. He should’ve been a solo villain to be done properly.

    I’m tired of seeing Lizard being teased and not shown, so I really want to see it, and Kraven would fit well, but there honestly are villains I like more. I’d really like to see Shocker or Electro. Maybe in spidey 5? We shall see.

  4. says

    I would really love to see Mysterio myself, one of my favorites from the cartoons.
    Jessica Biel as MJ would be freakin awesome, definetly nicer to look at then Dunst shitty dental work.

  5. JD Nobody says

    I am definitely in the minority here…I always thought Kristen Dunst was kinda cute. Are you guys sure your hatred of her casting isn’t clouding your judgment? Or am I just that strange?

  6. says

    I thought she was cute once upon a time, and then i cuaght a glimpse of her smile and now, not so much, you think with the amount of money she makes she get her teeth fixed and whitened.

  7. Jon Stephens says

    Like I said before, I don’t hate her. And I never said she wasn’t pretty, I just laughed at Rich’s joke. She is pretty, sure.

    My problems lie not so much with her but with whoever cast her. It’s not her fault, she just isn’t capable of playing MJ. Not every actor/actress can play any part they want. Some people just aren’t suited for certain things. Dunst isn’t suited for MJ.

    What is clouding my judgement is my comic book knowledge. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: “It’s a blessing AND a Curse.”

  8. says

    I actaully wish they would just kill off the charcter, and focus on Gwen Stacy, since i felt that Bryce Dallas HOward was pretty fantastic as Gwen, and should have been cast as MJ from the start. For me Howard embodied MJ the most out of the listed canidates that audiotioned for the role of MJ. Oh well. Can’t win them all I guess.

    I actaull did enjoy Dunst in How to Lose Friends and Alienate people as well as Etneral Sunshine of a Spotless mind.She is a good actress when she is surrounded by better actors and actresses (ie Pegg, Carrey, Winslet, Ruffalo, Bridges etc)

  9. Jon Stephens says

    I definitely don’t want to see MJ die. She is a massively important character in Spiderman lore. If they kill her, millions of nerds will unite as one to hunt down all the execs at Sony and make them pay for their heinous crime.

    Those who know comics know they should introduce more Gwen Stacy in #4 so they can kill her in #5. The death of Gwen Stacy was a massive event in the comics, and it helped shape who spidey is today. DO the comic justice and bring more Gwen, so that you can kill her in the next film!!!

  10. joi says

    Sophia Bush should play MaryJane.
    Now we have to look at another half hearted performance by Kirsten Dunst. Kirsten seemed so bored in spider Man 3. Does she know how many girls would kill to have her role?

  11. Jon Stephens says

    Thanks for stopping by joi! Great call on Sophia Bush. I can’t believe I missed that one. She would be perfect for the role, should they recast her.

    She looked complacent in all three films if you ask me. You are certainly right that there were surely a lot of actresses who wanted the part, and you have to think that someone who had an affinity for the character would’ve done a lot better. It was no secret that Dunst wasn’t well versed on the character, and I’ve always thought that studios should seek to cast either people who have a passion for the stories and characters, or at least someone committed to putting in some SERIOUS study time getting versed with these characters. Being in a mega bucks franchise is a big responsibility, and everyone should put in enough work to appease the fans that made the franchise popular enough to turn to film in the first place.

    I’m not certain all of that is true about Kirsten Dunst, but it certainly looked that way.

    • joi says

      Tobey Wasn’t the ideal Spider-Man, You know the funny thing is Tobey looks nothing like Spider-man/Peter Parker a that matter. But He makes you believe that he is and he does a great job at doing that. I think from the time he sign back in 2001? He saw how much it meant to fans to some how imbody spider-man/Peter Parker. Now that’s commitment.

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